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Post by munchkinj16 on May 17, 2007 10:23:08 GMT -4
Okay, I just wanted to know if anyone else has noticed the crappy cop-out endings most anime leaves you with. I mean, things will just end, or everyone dies, or something ridiculous. And I love me some anime, don't get me wrong, but the series USUALLY makes it worth the end....like Chrno Crusade or Escaflowne...but the ends STILL just make me sad. Sorta. So I wanted to know if it's just me, or do anime really have crappy endings?
Other examples:
Berserk
Chrno Crusade
Escaflowne
Evangelion
Anything by Rumiko Takahashi
Fruits Basket
Hunter X Hunter
Hana Yori Dango
Any other examples? Or am I just crazy?
And what's the plural for anime?
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Post by Hillary on May 17, 2007 11:51:36 GMT -4
I think a lot of it depends on the genre too. As far as shoujo goes, it's more of a happy ending. Naturally there has been some trials and maybe even losses, but, as a reader (watcher) of shoujo, I think we expect a nice closed ending from the type of manga (anime).
However, I prefer the type of endings that leave you feeling torn, where things just aren't all cleared up and you hate the way things turned out, but you knew it was coming. You've almost been told the entire story to prepare yourself for this inevitable ending, and it's as if you don't want to believe what's going to happen. Ending denial haha.
For me, I get this out of NANA. (Allow me to have my little glory). From the first few chapters or episodes (as this is the anime board), you know that the story takes place in the future and is looking back. Yazawa uses the first and last pages (seconds) of the chapter (episode) to bring you back to the fact that no amount of wishing on your part can change the fact that Nana and Hachi just aren't together. We don't know why this is yet, but Yazawa just comes out and says it. It brings this helpless feeling to the reader I think. As the reader, you are not in control of what happens, how ever much you would like to be. Those internal dialogues bring us back to the harsh reality of things after we've had our chapter (episode) that is all pie and sunshine.
Sometimes I think anime that leaves you with conflicting feelings are the best. It's different with story lines that you are into, and they have this wonderful ending where the girl gets the guy or the other way around. A perfect example of a manga-ka who does this is Watase Yuu. I love her dearly and have most of her series that have been translated, but there is also something missing that would make the story line phenomenal. Her manga/anime usually end with something along the lines of "Yay, it's the end! They live happily ever after!" It's the anime (manga) that makes you say "...what...no way...this can't be happening...d**n you (insert random creator name here)!" that I believe have the greatest affect on a reader.
However, that's just my opinion. I'm not even sure if that answered the question. I guess some endings are just crappy, the ones that seem like the creator ran out of ideas and pulls a "deus ex machina" on everyone. But similar to genres and themes, I think there are a lot of different types of endings, one just being more appealing than others to some people.
I tend to get sad at the end of most series though. Not necessarily because of the story, but that I won't get to read any more about the characters. I feel unsatisfied when I should be.
So far, the ending that has made me the saddest was Sailor Moon. I guess one of my biggest secrets is that I got a little misty eyed. I don't think this would have happened if it hadn't been for a slow version of the opening theme being played in the background. :<
I don't know about you, but theme songs appearing in the anime at certain parts really get to me, especially the slow ones. Episode 4 of NANA at the end where Ren tells Nana he's going to Tokyo is a prime example. They cued "A Little Pain" and I lost it. I died a little inside. Haha
Oh, and I believe the plural of anime is just anime.
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Post by Millie on May 17, 2007 12:16:47 GMT -4
I think the reason we don't like all anime endings it's because it's hard to please everyone. Or maybe because we put so much interest and effort into a series, we make up our own ideas about the characters, the plot, etc. and when things don't go as we imagined it's just horrible. I have further examples of animes with crazy endings:
Cowboy Bebop - the quintessential one, "I can't believe Spike *bleep*!"
Honey and Clover - my favorite anime, but the second season ending is soo unsatisfactory. Not only that but the series got really depressing.
Wolf's Rain - I believe this is one of the few anime in which I have cried, really sad stuff.
Haibane Renmei - another depressing anime ending, not necessarily bad, just depressing.
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Post by munchkinj16 on May 17, 2007 12:19:48 GMT -4
Yeah, I'm not a total "Happily Ever After" type of person either, but I do like at least some structure to an ending. The ultimate example is Rumiko Takahashi...it never ends! I mean, Ranma and Inuyasha are wonderful, but Ranma's end is the same as it's beginning and Inuyasha never defeats Naraku! It just eats away at my insides that I spent so many hours watching something that just stops.
I can appreciate a sort of cliffhanger ending if it's done tastefully...the same when everyone just dies. And I agree that some degree of ambiguity is enjoyable, but a lack of any real conclusion whatsoever irks me.
On a different note, Hachi is the one narrating, right? Do you know how it ends? I'm only up on the current Shojo Beat issue.
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Post by Brandon on May 17, 2007 12:37:06 GMT -4
Harem anime is the worst ending wise. You are subjected to the supposed choices that the hero has but its obvious from the beginning who he will end up with. The only time I was ever surprised was when Ichigo 100% ended
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Post by Hillary on May 17, 2007 14:00:13 GMT -4
On a different note, Hachi is the one narrating, right? Do you know how it ends? I'm only up on the current Shojo Beat issue. Both Hachi and Nana go back and forth in narrating. Nana doesn't start until volume 7, which I am assuming Shoujo Beat isn't up to yet. Later on in the series, they switch more frequently. As far as the ending goes, it's basically given to you all throughout the series. Right now, it's probably not very clear because the Viz translation is only up to volume 5 or so. I assure you though, read what you have so far at the beginning and ends of the chapters and it's easy to piece together. I have a list of all the opening and closing dialogues up to chapter 64 (the other three chapters I just have to type up). If you'd like, I can post them on a different thread. I use them for my research, but I would be more than happy to share if you guys are interested. I can't guarantee that there won't be a few spoilers though. |
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Post by meari on May 20, 2007 3:48:04 GMT -4
I find that Evangelion's ending is the most disturbing...I was completely unsatisfied. I think the creator just wanted to let the viewers have their own judgement on what it was about. If you have seen this ending, you would be like what the heck was that about? It was very wIeRd...lol
Just wanna mention that Inuyasha's ending was like no ending because the manga is still continuing and I assume they got tired and just end the anime without Naraku dying. Same with Hunter X Hunter...Gon has yet to find his father at the end of the anime but manga still hasn't ended. Thus, some anime endings are like no endings b/c the manga is still continuing.
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Post by Brandon on May 20, 2007 13:49:32 GMT -4
That doesnt really apply to FMA though since the anime and manga take different paths completely. Also Trigun is pretty different as far as anime and manga go ending wise.
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Post by maschbot on May 22, 2007 10:59:14 GMT -4
When you talk about the ending of Evangelion, are you talking about the series end or the movie "End of Evangelion?" Cuz they were both messed up in their own unique way.
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Post by Heera on May 23, 2007 21:26:28 GMT -4
Elfen Lied's ending was certainly strange. I wouldn't say that it was 'crappy' exactly, but it left much to be desired. It wasn't very conclusive, I guess.
The ending of Full Metal Panic: The Second Raid also angered me a bit. I felt like it was a little rushed, and what I wanted to happen didn't because of dumb Kyoko ><.. But there are still light novels continuing, so that's okay.
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Post by nickxdcghh on Dec 1, 2008 2:38:29 GMT -4
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